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@Oren wrote: After sleeping on it, I feel like we might be closer to being on the same page than we realize… I don’t think your consciousness ever actually visits the cortex. I think maybe the...
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@Bitking wrote: Oren: I don’t think your consciousness ever actually visits the cortex. I think maybe the thalamus represents the simulator that I’m talking about, but correct me if I’m completely off...
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@Bitking wrote: Relevant to to the current focus of this thread: Scientific American The Brain's Autopilot Mechanism Steers Consciousness Freud’s notion of a dark, libidinous unconscious is obsolete....
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@OS_C wrote: I think thinking in terms of chosen fate, chosen deterministic fate, might allow us to somehow square free will in. Like a road where you know the paths leading to good and bad places,...
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@Falco wrote: OS_C: (…) you choose perhaps in a deterministic way to move towards a good end good location good fate, your ability to reevaluate this at any moment prior to reaching your fate, even if...
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@Bitking wrote: This whole “all the universe forces this moment” thing is seriously tiresome. The argument is offered that if you knew all the movement and energy of all the particles you could...
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@OS_C wrote: hidden variable theories are still not fully ruled out. A nobel prize winning physicist is working on such, and I think wolfram of mathematica fame among others also hold similar views if...
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@Falco wrote: Bitking: The argument is offered that if you knew all the movement and energy of all the particles you could calculate the outcome and there is no free will. (…) Forgetting for the...
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@Bitking wrote: Falco: I’m saying that whatever decision you make, it is out of your control. If determinism is true (which I don’t know) then it is the only outcome that could have happened. If...
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@OS_C wrote: Falco: You’re both arguing free will from ignorance: “I don’t know what’s going to happen, so my choice must be free”. No I think it can be potentially known, and it is indeed...
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@Falco wrote: Bitking: Does the predetermination aid me in any useful way? Does it offer even one line of code or one line laid out in a circuit? Not if you’re building a toaster, no. Or if you’re...
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@Falco wrote: OS_C: No I think it can be potentially known, and it is indeed deterministic and uncontrollable, only the illusion of control can be had. But that’s why free will is an illusion. I do...
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@Bitking wrote: Falco: These people didn’t care about usefulness. They were interested in advancing science. Nice try - still not useful. Get back to me if anything useful pops up. Read full topic
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@Falco wrote: Bitking: Get back to me if anything useful pops up. I explained why it is important to me. You said it was “hard to follow”. Maybe we should leave it at that… Read full topic
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@rhyolight wrote: Let’s take a break from this topic for a bit. Read full topic
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@rfitz123 wrote: I think you’re looking at free will from a psychology standpoint. You are proving the point that you can exhibit awareness, but on an atomic level, the atoms are moving in...
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@Paul_Lamb wrote: rfitz123: Given the state of atoms at the start of the universe, there is one and only one possible set of actions that can proceed. (Ignoring quantum physics for now) As impractical...
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@rfitz123 wrote: You bring up an interesting point. My concern though is that even if somehow there were quantum properties that meant the universe isn’t deterministic, and even if our brain could...
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